CITY OF
SUMMARY MINUTES OF STUDY SESSION
Shoreline Conference Center
Mt. Rainier Room
PRESENT: Mayor
Ryu, Councilmember Eggen, Councilmember Hansen, Councilmember McConnell, Councilmember
McGlashan, and
ABSENT: Deputy Mayor Scott
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Mayor Ryu led the flag salute.
Upon roll call by the City Clerk, all Councilmembers were present, with the
exception of Deputy Mayor Scott and Councilmember Hansen.
Councilmember McGlashan moved to excuse Deputy Mayor Scott.
Councilmember Eggen seconded the motion, which carried 5-0 and Deputy Mayor
Scott was excused.
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Bob Olander, City Manager,
provided reports and updates on various City meetings, projects, and events. He
stated that the National Night Out and Celebrate Shoreline events were well
attended and very successful. He also stated there was a public art dedication
in the north end of
Mayor Ryu announced that she
serves on the Suburban Cities Association (SCA) Budget Group and they are
working on recommendation for the SCA Board. She noted that there are three subarea
groups for transportation component in
Councilmember Hansen arrived at
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Dwight Gibb introduced Jeff
Johnson who surveyed 673 homes in the
Mr. Johnson stated that
Councilmember Eggen asked what maximum
impervious surface requirements are being required by cities. He questioned if
cities require more area to be put into yards or plantings. Mr. Johnson
responded that cities require homeowners to keep shadows at a certain angle and
limit the total impervious surface.
Councilmember McConnell asked how
many two-bedroom homes there are in the City. She wondered what would happen on
lots that are less than 7,200 square feet. Mr. Johnson replied that if the square
footage is approved prior to development on existing lots, the cities have
implemented some exceptions and allowed the floor area ratio to be higher.
Mr. Franie said he moved into his
home a year ago and it was remodeled to include three bedrooms. He noted that
he could have easily doubled the house size and remained within the city
regulations in
Mayor Ryu wondered if it is more
important to reduce the impact on lots and reduce impervious surface or have a shorter
home with more floor area. Mr. Johnson responded that his general sense tells
him that communities prefer having more of the lot left for trees, setbacks, and
open space. He said this is why design review is needed.
Councilmember McGlashan agreed
that some homes look “out of place” in the City. However, he has heard that
large homes are less popular now and asked if there were any statistics to
support that. He asked if Mr. Johnson and Mr. Franie supported other housing
options like cottage housing. Mr. Johnson replied that there are some cities that
have different floor area ratios in place based on the area and what kinds of
existing buildings are there.
Councilmember McGlashan stated
that the proposal doesn’t necessarily involve changing the lot coverage, so the
major issue is height. Mr. Gibbs concurred, adding that this isn’t trying to
address trees and shrubs directly.
Councilmember Hansen questioned
how the group decided which homes to include and which homes to exclude in this
study. Mr. Johnson stated they just decided to use all of the homes from
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a) David Baker, Mayor, City of
b) Lisa Haines, on behalf of the
c) Les Nelson, Shoreline, said he looked
through the environmental impact statement (EIS) in the City’s Comprehensive
Plan. He noted that it has a floor area ratio of 50%, which is close to the
proposal of the
d) Dwight Gibb, Shoreline, asked why this
room is being used for this meeting. He noted that it isn’t a good room for the
public because they can't see the screen. He felt the
e) Mary Weaver, Shoreline, commented that
most people don’t know where the local food bank is. She pointed out that it is
located at the Aurora Square, 15809 Westminster Way N. It is called Hopelink
and is located next to
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(a) Update
of 2007- 2008 Council Goal No. 8: Fircrest Master Plan |
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Mr. Valbert said his goal is to
give a brief update on the Fircrest School Master Plan and present feedback on the
master plan language. He said the project has been broken down into two phases
and Phase 1 is completed. He announced that
Mr. Valbert noted that the goal is
to come to Shoreline in January with the master plan permit. He added that the
master plan should meet Shoreline Council goals 5, 6, 7, and 8. He stated that DSHS
is hoping that the master plan language doesn't prohibit the City’s effort in
developing the hybrid model.
Mr. Olander commented that the
City staff has heard that the Council and the community want to consider a variety
of uses in the master plan process to include government offices, retail, various
forms of housing, and sustainability.
Mayor Ryu called for public
comment.
a) Kristin Ellison-Oslin,
b) Maria Walsh, on behalf of Friends of
Fircrest (FOF), said they have concerns about extending the property. She
provided the Council with the FOF position statement. She pointed out on a vicinity
map that the Department of Natural Resources (DNR), Department of Housing
(DOH), and Department of Social and Health Services (DSHS) all own property on
the site. She inquired why the original plans showed that there were 35.5 excess
acres of property and suddenly there are 43 acres. She said the only way to
have 43 acres of land is if the Y buildings are destroyed first. She noted that
the DNR land is managed by a trust and it should be up to them to decide what
happens to it. She asserted that excess property cannot be created by replacing
buildings used by the Fircrest population. She felt that relocating the Y
buildings on the east side of the campus will cause mixed use housing problems.
She said they are proposing the relocation of mixed use, comprehensive housing
to the southeast portion of the campus with a direct feed to
c) Laethan Wene, Shoreline, said it is important
to have the disabled be a part of the Fircrest Master Plan, the community, and
to participate in the meetings.
d) Jim Hardman,
e) Dennis Lee, Shoreline, stated that the legislature
has been tasked with looking at this from a high altitude and get this going.
He said because they were planning on master planning the surplus area, there
is a property line running through the park which has caused confusion. He
stated that there hasn’t been any master plan. He communicated that it looks
like the City hired consultants to get a master plan started and he is
concerned “the cart is before the horse.” He stated that process is important. Finally,
he said a large citizen's advisory committee needs to be established with clear,
well-defined goals. He expressed his discontent about four buildings on
f) Betti Linn Krisik Brown, Shoreline, commented
that the Briarcrest and
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h) Jim Walsh,
Mr. Olander commented that there
have been no decisions regarding the Y buildings.
Mr. Valbert highlighted that the
property made the “jump” to 43 acres based on Councilmember Way's comment regarding
“thinking outside the box” when it comes to the creek. He noted that they had
to meet the legislative request to master plan excess property and educate
legislature about other opportunities for the better operation of
Mr. Olander recommended discussing
the public process issue. He confirmed that when the plans are refined there
would be at least two more open houses to get public input on draft plans. He
asked what the process would be after an application is received by the City.
Ms. Markle replied that the
application would go through a quasi-judicial process. Specifically, notice
would go out to persons residing within 500 feet, signs would be posted, the Planning
Commission would hold a public hearing, and then it would go to the Council for
a decision.
Mr. Olander highlighted that the
City would go beyond the minimum notice requirements because of the importance
of this item.
Mayor Ryu thanked Representative
Maralyn Chase, Frank Chopp, and former Deputy Mayor Fimia for their involvement
in this issue.
Councilmember Hansen asked if
there were any previous opportunities for the public to comment on the hybrid
plan. He highlighted that the speakers felt they haven't had an opportunity to
give input.
Mr. Valbert replied that he felt
they have had an opportunity for input. He said there have been two open houses
and they have developed about three to four different scenarios, maps, and
uses. He said they were explained to people and people gave their feedback at recorded
meetings where their opinions and issues were captured and saved
electronically. He added that the hybrid plan came from that feedback, open
houses, and the legislative directive. He said it is true that the actual
hybrid map was not shown at open houses, but everything on it was on other
maps. He noted that there will be at least two more open houses.
Councilmember Hansen wanted to
know how many people attended the two open houses. Ms. Geller estimated that
there were about seventy-five people at the first one and slightly less at the
second one. Mr. Valbert stated that there were over 200 comments emailed to the
City that were added to the record.
Councilmember Eggen said he is confused
about the master planning process and asked how Mr. Valbert envisions public
input will be used in the two additional meetings towards the final plan. He
questioned if a citizen committee would be formed. Mr. Valbert replied that
they would listen, take comments, and make any appropriate changes if needed.
He stated that these meetings would focus on density and refinements. Ms.
Geller added that the second open house will also give residents an opportunity
to comment about the SEPA checklist.
Councilmember Eggen expressed
concerned about the current residents of Fircrest and the fact that it needs to
continue serving developmentally disabled residents. Mr. Valbert replied that
the mission of DSHS is to serve people and vulnerable populations and improve
their lives. He said they are trying to define what the Fircrest campus is and
to know clearly where its boundaries are.
Mayor Ryu stated she has
reservations about new uses at Fircrest.
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Mr. Olander said it would probably
need to be two separate applications, and the City would need to know their
intent so there aren’t any conflicts.
Councilmember McConnell appreciated
this and noted that it is going to be a continual, open conversation with the community.
She expressed concern about the fragile population at Fircrest. She said that
the end result will be a compromise, and the community will need to accept that
compromise. She encouraged the public to be involved.
Mr. Olander noted that this is
intended to be an update and suggested that Council submit any additional
questions and he will forward them to Mr. Valbert.
Mayor Ryu questioned why the Y
buildings are planned for demolition. Mr. Valbert commented that the Y building
issue was not driven by the ownership and there is no financial obligation
there. He said there are significant elevation changes on the site and they
would like to get the developmentally disabled population down on same elevation
as the dining facilities and other places they need to go. He noted that the Y
building property is almost invisible from
Mayor Ryu noted that the City will
be going into a visioning process in October and she is sure Fircrest will come
up. She commented that the southwest corner at 15th Avenue N and N 150th
Street, going south, has a very short, narrow strip of commercial property, and
there needs to be some sort of economic development there. She added that it is
the perfect place to have multi-use. Mr. Valbert pointed out that the southwest
corner is designated as “Area 3” on the map and it is proposed to be a mixed
use retail commercial corridor.
Mayor Ryu questioned what would
happen if the health laboratory isn’t there. Ms. Geller highlighted that the market
study showed some market for retail, but not a lot. She stated that housing was
the biggest market use.
Mayor Ryu inquired if the drive to
have the Y buildings demolished would diminish if housing units are built. Ms.
Geller replied that the demolition would be put off to a later phase of the
project. Mr. Valbert reiterated that there isn’t any
request to do anything with the Y buildings. He said the only funding request
is for studying how the Y buildings can provide other services to the campus.
He felt that the Y buildings will be there for the next six to ten years.
Mr. Olander added that the EIS is normally done when a construction building
permit is issued. He added that the impacts can be reasonably mitigated. He
pointed out that the impacts can either be adverse or beneficial, and he believed
that there would be more beneficial impacts on this project then adverse ones.
Councilmember Eggen wondered if
the Council should direct staff that the master planning permit may be modified
to clarify that the City will accept changes in use rather than expansions in
use. Mr. Olander replied that the Council can postpone discussion on that until
September 2.
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Ms. Smith gave a brief background
of the neighborhoods program, noting that there are ten active neighborhoods.
She stated that the City staff provides assistance to the neighborhood groups
through helping with reactivations, training, communications planning, and the mini-grant
program. She reviewed several activities in the City to include different
celebrations, clean-ups, night-out events, and ice cream socials. She commented
that the City has taken a leadership role in creating a neighborhood
coordinators network, which meets quarterly. This group, she stated, learns best
practices and provides training/assistance on issues of inclusion, diversity,
and succession. She concluded that strong communities start with one-on-one
relationships.
Mayor Ryu called for public
comment.
a) Bill Bear, Shoreline, stated that Councilmembers
represent the entire City and the role of the neighborhood associations is to
represent the specific interests in each neighborhood. He felt that two-way
communication is needed and that currently the Council of Neighborhoods doesn’t
have that mandate. He suggested that the Council of Neighborhoods should be
able to not just receive information, but to communicate their concerns back to
the City Council.
Councilmember McGlashan commented
that he has attended many neighborhood night out events and said Londa Jacques
from the Ballinger Neighborhood Association deserves congratulations for a great
job.
Councilmember Hansen thanked Ms.
Smith for a great report. He stated the programs have improved since the
neighborhood program was initiated in 1996. He added that the banners along
Councilmember Eggen commended Ms.
Smith for the report and her work. He said there was a concern in the past that
some neighborhood groups had lost members. However, he asked about representation
and if there is some requirement for a certain level of participation that
represents a democratic constitution within a neighborhood. He added that he
was surprised that
Ms. Smith noted that the bylaws spell
out some parameters for being recognized as an active neighborhood association.
These parameters include having a formal organization with written documents,
meeting at least once a year, and having an annual election of officers. She
added that there aren’t any clear parameters on what happens if some of these
aspects are not followed. She said the City has been trying to provide
assistance, sponsor meetings, and have a providing assistance approach to keep
the groups going. She clarified that the North City Business Association is
active, but there hasn’t been any residential representation.
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Mayor Ryu appreciated the work
done by Ms. Smith and this division. She wondered if it was possible to ask neighbors
to look out for graffiti.
Mr. Olander replied that there has
been some success lately in curbing graffiti and there have been arrests of
several major “taggers” in Shoreline. He referred to the police services briefing
and said the City has put out ads with rewards under “Crimestoppers” and have
had responses to them. However, he said this work is done on a constant basis
and residents need to be informed that they can be the “eyes and ears” of the
community.
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Mr. Olander introduced
Ms. Redinger read the staff report
and stated that this is the first batch of housekeeping amendments for 2008.
These amendments, she explained, are clarifications which are done to prevent
confusion, redundancy, and to remain current with updated legal mandates and
local policy changes. She said the Planning Commission had a study session and
public hearing and recommended these amendments by a vote of 6-0. She explained
each of the amendments.
Mayor Ryu called for public
comment. There was no one wishing to provide comment on this item.
Councilmember Hansen asked for
clarification on the proposed amendment in 20.70.030. Ms. Redinger confirmed
that this amendment reverted back to the original recommendation from the City
staff. She added that it doesn’t lower the building thresholds. Mr. Olander
stated that this makes the process easier for small businesses to adhere to
because they won’t be able to afford to make all of these required improvements
if the amendment is kept as-is. Councilmember Hansen suggested clarifying that the
4,000 square foot size relates to existing structures only.
Councilmember Eggen referred to
Section 20.30.450, item C. He commented that the revised regulations are very
difficult to read and it portrays a sense that the Council doesn't decide short
plats. He felt that a final formal plat isn't a long plat when the City Council
is involved. He inquired about utilizing “title” to a section of the Code. Mr.
Sievers suggesting using the term “formal plat” instead of “long plat.” He also
pointed out that “title” refers to Title 20, the City’s entire development code.
He highlighted that all plats have to meet all the development standards and
the term should be capitalized.
Ms. Redinger added that a small
works roster will be developed to get a larger pool of trusted consulting firms.
Mayor Ryu noted that some
residents have lived in Shoreline prior to it being a City and view their
properties as their “kingdoms.” She suggested the City be more proactive rather
than lenient when it comes to junk vehicles.
Mr. Olander highlighted that this issue
also involves compliance with state law. Ms. Redinger confirmed that it is
primarily a state law and it walks the fine line between property rights and
the greater good. Mr. Olander added that
Code Enforcement flexibly works with the residents.
Mayor Ryu expressed her
appreciation with Section 20.20.014, but felt there is a high concentration of
group homes in certain neighborhoods in the City.
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